Saint John's former Finance Commissioner for the city Daryl Wilson taking the stand in the defamation lawsuit between former common councillor John Ferguson and the city's pension board.
Wilson also served as treasurer on the pension board.
He told jurors during his time with the board, he had no knowledge of any illegal activity on the board or anyone abusing long-term or permanent disability benefits.
But he did concede the number of employees who were out on long-term or permanent disability seemed abnormally high.
The point was also made by an actuary who suggested the city had to redefine what constituted long-term and permanent disability.
John Ferguson is currently the Town Manager of St. Stephen.